it's a catch 22. >> also, the war on drugs grew out of black leaders in the siege neighborhoods saying help. >> exactly. >> after lynne bias' death, we passed all these mandatory minimums and all the things that have been a rallying cry in the civil rights community since then. but it's also how you do it, let's be clear. nobody asked the nypd to show up and stop everybody coming out of public housing. there is the how you do it question. backing up on your initial question is that i think that there are some basics we all do agree on. we agree on background checks, right? >> yeah. >> even that alone, if we have universal background checks, if you couldn't walk into a gun show in virginia and buy a gun in five minutes with no background check, that slows it down. >> stay right there. we are going to talk more on it. we have more on this. it is a complicated question. we are going to go to chicago when we get back. the chicago team who was gunned down one week after performing at the president's inauguration leads us to ask, will her death finally change things in that city? [ male anno